even those drainage mats will kill the grass after 3-4 days.  they do help to not suffocate the grass, but with enough traffic and weight on them, they will eventually harm it.

if we had a mat, it would only come out when there was a hard/packed surface in front of the camper.

if there is grass, then we will use a 2x4 door matt just for foot wiping.

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I agree Kpagano I can see why the Pa state parks want to ban smoking if you want to smoke that's your business but why must you throw your butts onto the ground in my book that would be like me drinking a can of pop and just throwing the can on the ground when I'm done (not going to happen). This is why the parks want to ban smoking tired of cleaning up after people.

The rule of thumb that my family and I always use is to leave our site cleaner than we found it. After we're loaded and ready to leave, I pull the camper forward some and then all of us do a pass through our site. we pick up any debris we see, whether it's ours or not, and bag it to take in the dumpster on the way out.
I am a smoker and it does bug me to to have cigarette butts laying around on a site so I don't do it. Please don't lump all smokers into the same category. I have seen pop cans, beer cans, popsicle sticks, broken water baloons, candy wrappers, you name it, laying around our site when we arrive so I guess I would have a strong argument to ban some of the things you may enjoy too.

I work at a Campground and yes butts are bad but I pick up more box juice straw wrappers and straws so our Beach is going straw and cup top free, someone needs to come up with a juice box without straws? you would make $$$$ and the EPA would back you ::)Also bottled water? Who knew?